If it’s a shutdown, why are we so busy?

Aired October 29, 2025

The Trump administration’s “Compact for Academic Excellence” faces near-universal rejection from the nation’s leading universities, even as the White House continues to look for takers. Hosts Mushtaq Gunja, Jon Fansmith, and Sarah Spreitzer unpack why the compact’s demands are legally shaky and practically unworkable. Then they turn to UVA’s separate civil rights settlement, what it signals for Title VI enforcement, and how DOJ’s growing role is reshaping oversight. Also in this episode: the shutdown that isn’t shutting down, deep cuts to the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights and TRIO programs, and the new $100,000 H-1B visa fee. .

Here are some of the links and references from this week’s show:

The Trump Administration's Higher Education Compact

Compact for Academic Excellence in Higher Education

White House

Statement by Higher Education Associations in Opposition to Trump Administration Compact
ACE | Oct. 17, 2025

How the Trump administration is pressuring universities to fall in line
NPR | Oct. 27, 2025

Hosts and Guests

Jon Fansmith

Senior Vice President

Government Relations and National Engagement

Jonathan Fansmith is the senior vice president for Government Relations and National Engagement at the American Council on Education (ACE), where he leads federal advocacy efforts on behalf of the nation's colleges and universities. He oversees ACE's e...

Co-host

Jon Fansmith

Senior Vice President

Government Relations and National Engagement

Mushtaq Gunja

Executive Director

Carnegie Classification Systems

Mushtaq Gunja serves as executive director of the Carnegie Classification systems and senior vice president at ACE, where he is in charge of running and reimagining the Carnegie framework. Prior to joining ACE, Gunja served as assistant dean in academi...

Co-host

Mushtaq Gunja

Executive Director

Carnegie Classification Systems

Sarah Spreitzer

Vice President and Chief of Staff

Government Relations

Sarah Spreitzer represents ACE and its members on matters related to research policy and funding, federal policy, international students, immigration, and legislative issues. Before joining ACE, Spreitzer held senior positions in higher e...

Co-host

Sarah Spreitzer

Vice President and Chief of Staff

Government Relations

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